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Title: Bush wants to restrict acess to birth control?


sf49erfan - July 31, 2008 03:58 PM (GMT)
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A Bush administration proposal aimed at protecting health-care workers who object to abortion, and to birth-control methods they consider tantamount to abortion, has escalated a bitter debate over the balance between religious freedom and patients' rights.

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The most controversial section defines abortion as "any of the various procedures -- including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action -- that results in the termination of life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation."

That definition would include most forms of hormonal birth control and the IUD, which most major medical groups believe do not constitute abortion because they primarily affect ovulation or fertilization and not an embryo once it has implanted in the womb.

Keneke - July 31, 2008 04:05 PM (GMT)
well...hormonal birth controls ARE/CAN BE abortive. I don't think any person should be required to dispense them.
My OB/GYN is prolife. I know for a fact he will not and does not perform abortions (part of the reason I chose him and drive a little further etc) but I do know he prescribes birth control. I guess some view them differently.

Sarah - July 31, 2008 04:59 PM (GMT)
I agree with the proposal.

Honey - July 31, 2008 05:20 PM (GMT)
Good for Bush.

clayman - July 31, 2008 06:00 PM (GMT)
I agree 100%. And this made me think about it - isn't abortion a violation of the Hippocratic Oath?

sf49erfan - July 31, 2008 06:26 PM (GMT)
Thing that has be concerned is that the administration is considering the birth control pill to be a form of abortion.

Keneke - July 31, 2008 06:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jul 31 2008, 12:26 PM)
Thing that has be concerned is that the administration is considering the birth control pill to be a form of abortion.

They are...

Some forms of contraception, specifically the intrauterine device (IUD), Norplant, and certain low-dose oral contraceptives, often do not prevent conception but prevent implantation of an already fertilized ovum. The result is an early abortion, the killing of an already conceived individual. Tragically, many women are not told this by their physicians, and therefore do not make an informed choice about which contraceptive to use."

Addicted2~Jesus - July 31, 2008 08:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jul 31 2008, 12:26 PM)
Thing that has be concerned is that the administration is considering the birth control pill to be a form of abortion.

That's because the pill is "not widely known" to cause abortions... no one wants to talk bout it, but that's why we no longer use the pill, because of even the slightest risk of it causin an abortion in the first place.

Keneke - July 31, 2008 09:18 PM (GMT)

Basil - August 1, 2008 04:14 PM (GMT)
I do like Bush for his social conservatism, even if I'm cynical about his motives for the war.

I've heard that birth control pills used to be labelled as "abortifacients" (i.e. abortion-causing) until the 1970s, when the drug companies slyly, or deceitfully, removed mention of it from their packaging, for marketing reasons to be sure.

As convenient as using the pill, or other hormonal birth control, may be, we all need to be educated that they can block implantation of a newly conceived person, causing him or her to be flushed out of the system and die in a sewer or trash can somewhere. I'm not trying to be dramatic here, but that's an accurate description, without using cold medical jargon, like zygote, blastocyst, fetus, termination, etc.

Stringaling - August 1, 2008 10:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keneke @ Jul 31 2008, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jul 31 2008, 12:26 PM)
Thing that has be concerned is that the administration is considering the birth control pill to be a form of abortion.

They are...

Some forms of contraception, specifically the intrauterine device (IUD), Norplant, and certain low-dose oral contraceptives, often do not prevent conception but prevent implantation of an already fertilized ovum. The result is an early abortion, the killing of an already conceived individual. Tragically, many women are not told this by their physicians, and therefore do not make an informed choice about which contraceptive to use."

:thumbsup: Exactly..

Stringaling - August 1, 2008 10:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Basil @ Aug 1 2008, 11:14 AM)

I've heard that birth control pills used to be labelled as "abortifacients" (i.e. abortion-causing) until the 1970s, when the drug companies slyly, or deceitfully, removed mention of it from their packaging, for marketing reasons to be sure.

A while back I read that it was on the package insert that comes with the pills listed under the ways that the pill works: By thickening cervical mucous to inhibit sperm motility, inhibiting ovulation, and preventing implantation. When the pro-life groups began protesting implantation prevention as a method of abortion the pharmacutical companies took it out of the insert.

Stringaling - August 2, 2008 12:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keneke @ Jul 31 2008, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jul 31 2008, 12:26 PM)
Thing that has be concerned is that the administration is considering the birth control pill to be a form of abortion.

They are...

Some forms of contraception, specifically the intrauterine device (IUD), Norplant, and certain low-dose oral contraceptives, often do not prevent conception but prevent implantation of an already fertilized ovum. The result is an early abortion, the killing of an already conceived individual. Tragically, many women are not told this by their physicians, and therefore do not make an informed choice about which contraceptive to use."



Sometimes women do in fact ovulate while on the pill ( me for example--) and sometimes those eggs do get fertilized. If the endometrium has been thinned out enough by the hormonal BC pills, then those fertilized eggs, those new lives, will die and pass with shedding of the uterus. The endometrium becomes a hostile environment rather than the nourishing place it was created to be. That is how the pill can cause an early abortion. And if you believe life begins at conception then taking the pill is not an option.

Unfortunately people often confuse conception with implantation.

Keneke - August 2, 2008 01:46 AM (GMT)
So SF49erFan...are you still concerned? Thoughts?




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