Personnaly, I believe the earth to be 6000 years er so old, an I completely reject the scientific communities assement... main reason bein... they cain't agree amongest themsef's so... I won't bother arguin wit what I preceive to be educated idiots. Although.. many of the ones I call educated idiots have done 180's an many of em though you don't hear it often in the media, have found more an more evedence of God's handiwork but this thread isn't bout the big bang er God doin what He said when He created the earth an everthin in it.

My biggest issue wit the old earth deal.. an I know many will jes laugh an think me a fool, but... we use all these insanely flawed methods to try an calculate out the age of sumthin, an there's such a huge varin degree in that an absoultely no way to proof the tests we are tryin to imply, the way I look at it is this:

Who was there when a certain rock they are goin to test now was created/formed? Who was there to brin that rock through time an show that yes, this rock is 6000 years old, er is 4.5 million? There's not a way to measure that, no true way anyways.

Now I'm goin to give a call out to Raspy here, while I agree, does it really matter, I'd say no, at least to believers who haven't gotten sucked into the world, because if we say the earth is 4.5 billion years old etc then it goes along ways to helpin the worldly views on thins. So those who are believers who believe in the big bang an the earth bein so old etc aren't actually believers in Christ at all, at least in my opinion, an no I'm not tryin to judge their salvation, I jes mean that if you start chippin away at God, then you only end up wit a piece, an that's luke warm an God don't like that none. The other thin I am a bit concerned bout as I've seen Raspy say a few times lately, that the earth will be here long after we are gone, I'd disagree wit this, as scripture records a new earth an new heaven an I'm sure that this rock we are on that we've contaminated wit sinfulness let alone pollution an oh nooooo carbon diaoxide... global warmin etc.. anyways, this earth after the milleniumal reign will be destroyed, Basil said once that God will not destroy sumthin He's created, I was floored by that comment an he never responded to my questions bout it an I'm not tryin to brin up an old debate er anythin, but God has done it in the past an He will surely do it agin.

I know there's tremendous amounts of arguments over like the dinosaurs when they died an all this, but some of the stuff folks jes don't hear bout is thins like, the foot prints they found of "modern" man an dinosaurs runnin for thier lives up a mountain sumthin like 5989 er sumthin years ago.. maybe I have the figures off, after I said it it doesn't sound right, but the scientists said the prints were made at the same time, er the fact that the entire earth, no matter where you go at the same level of ground from center out, I honestly don't remember what the depth is, but le's say for example, 50 feet down all across the world is a layer sumthin like 10 foot thick of lime, they say could have only gotten there by a global flood.

Er thins like, for example, before the flood people lived 500 years, after the flood, all of a sudden the life expectancy fell massively. So yeah, this earth will be destroyed, but it won't be done by man, it's part of God's plan an I personnaly believe the earth to be young.

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according to my calculations...the Earth is 11,234 years old....give or take a few months.

Those who say the Earth is 6000 years old do so based on the lifespans of Adam and the following generations as stated in the Bible. I get that.

Here is where I disagree: I don't think that creation occurred in just 6 days as we know them now.

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As you can see God didn't create the sun and moon until the fourth "day." Without the Earth rotating around the sun, to create a day as we currently determine it, who can say how long a "day" was. The Earth was there, but not the sun. Therefore each of the first three "days" could have been millions of years.

That then brings into question what is a "day" like you say, well the bible records that a "day" unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man. So if we git real literal bout thins, then we can still only account for a 6 to 7000 year time before Adam. I cain't git to the millions of years etc.

One of the troubles wit this I believe is that we start tryin to force our physics on God. Which of course doesn't work, it's the same wit the chicken an the egg ordeal. Since our logic will not work in God's plans then we can not wresttle the how did the earth move in a void an the sun, moon etc. Whenever we try an say, well our way is higher then His way an we do that by sayin, we know the earth revolves round the sun, an x,y, an z must happen before such an such. It jes doesn't work.

I agree wit your sayin of we couldn't have had a "day" before the sun an moon were in the sky, but there's nuthin that would say to us anywhere that a million years er even a literal 24 hour day happened before then either.

Oh, this is good. No time now and none tomorrow, but I'll try to chime in on Tuesday... :)

I do not believe that the seven days were a literal seven days as we know a day to be. I believe God created things to work in a certain way and at a certain speed. Science tells us that based on the time passing and things happening in a certain way and at an unchanging speed, that the earth is whatever many millions of years old. Although no one was around back then taking notes and leaving geological records we can see, based on anthropological records and archaeological findings and the corresponing of those things that geological events and things do indeed only happen at a certain rate.

I'm not making sense..

Things happen slowly. We have records and evidence of things happening on this earth very slowly. We do not have records prior to the existence of man. I believe that God created the earth to function one way and that the did not change it. The 7 days referred to in the Scriptures, I do not believe are a literal 7 days or even the 7000 years as suggested by A2J. Rather, those days, perhaps, were more like eras of time. The evening and the morning would be not a setting of the sun and rising of the sun, but rather the closing of a certain era of earthly development and the opening or "dawning" of a new one. This way, God may have created the earth as we know it today over millions of years.

Maye that first "day" or era at the beginning when the earth was formless, as Genesis says, and over time in that first formation era the earth came together into a planet-perhaps like the some of the other planets in our solar system that are made entirely of gasses but have no actual hard ground structure. On that first day the Bible says He created light--We know from our watching of the stars the life cycles of stars and the approximate time it takes for a star to move from one stage in its life to the next. I think that perhaps this is what was occurring with our sun in that first era or "Day".

This went on for five more "days" or "eras" of development and makes perfect sense. The modern athiest scientist can look at the discoveries of million year old bones and determine them to be legitimately millions of years old, but still it does not conflict with the rate in which creation may actually have occurred.

So if you slow it all down and think that maybe God created the earth in the way and speed that the earth still changes today and has throughout all human history, and consider perhaps that what is meant by "day" is really a longer period of time, the possibility of the earth being older than 6000 years really does seem more realistic.

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Here..I'm sure we can use this as reference..

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FINALLY....

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