Formula. Then she won't have to worry about anything!! :thanks:

********where's that devil smilie????************ B)

You need a rep button :P :stars:

Ya both need head examinations.... an Debby! You've earned yoursef an ignore for the rest of the day..... ashame... ashame....

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:agree: With formula came a whole BUNCH of problems...excess gas, constipation, fussiness, more pukage....tit food is baby's best start. Everyone knows that! :gotcha:

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........not gonna take the bait.......... :whistle: :P

Bait? What bait? Nobody's baiting anyone. It's just the honest truth! We all know it, too! :P

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Please do take the bait. I'd really like to hear a fact-based defense of how formula is more beneficial to a baby than breast milk.

Raspy, tell Misty she's doing a great job, nursing that wee one.

Okay, okay, I'll bite..........

Only fact I have is that I formula-fed Andie exclusively and she didn't have any excess gas, constipation, fussiness, more pukage......to quote Honey-bunny! B)

She's also not been any more/less sick than other kids in her class and as far as something about being smarter if you're breast-fed (right?), she's top in her class according to her teacher.

I agree that breast milk can be healthier. I also think the hype of formula being "evil" is way way way over-done. I'm sure if I took the time to search, I could find studies that indicated that formula-fed babies are just as healthy & smart as breast-fed babies. And I'm sure I could also find studies that indicate the opposite.

Bottom line is that parenting is hard enough especially newborns, parents make the best/right decision for them. We're all different and shouldn't feel like we have to defend our decisions. Not that I'm defending mine, it was the best decision for me and I know that MANY of you hippie tree-huggers disagree with it........no biggie! (I say "hippie tree-huggers in total jest, so don't anyone get their panties in a bunch!)

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I was able but didn't...

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Don't babys that drink crappy formula like soy, cow's milk, etc...usually end up with allergies to soy, cow's milk, etc?

Formula puke smells like puke....

Boob juice puke has no smell...very cool...

Chesticle cream is also priced right...

YEP!! :nod: I hear of more allergies in bottle fed babies.

Very cool post, btw. B)

Hmmm, my son has special needs, and I gave him breastmilk for 3 months. Darn, I shoulda just started with formula, then he'd a been smrt.

I breastfed Isaiah for 8-9 months....he's still smart, just autistic. B)

:dunno: I see no where that she said Andie was smarter. She's top in the class...
I don't understand why people can't encourage eachother to make THEIR FAMILIES best decision. There are so many factors involved with nursing, not nursings, Vax, circumcision etc and it's always an attack. It gets old... :rollseyes:

No allergies here..........at least for this FF kiddo.....

And what in the WORLD is "chesticle" cream???? :blink: :unsure:

........and c'mon Amy........you know me better than that! I'm not attacking anyone and I'm not saying my kid's better than anyone's........all I'm doing is stating what I've observed with my daughter who was FF from day one.

Meaning you (all-inclusive "you", not "you" specifically) can't make group judgements.

I have no problem admitting that BFing is better in some ways for both baby and mom. But I also see no problem with families/moms choosing to FF.

It's definitely a hot topic, and we know that there's a HUGE dividing line which I doubt anyone will be convinced to go over to the "other side".........but it's fun to talk about, eh?

The board was getting kind of boring & dull IMHO anyways........ B)

I didn't feel attacked nor did I intend to attack, my point was that it is anecdotal evidence, and therefore it doesn't really mean much.

Obviously, breast milk had nothing to do with Phillip's problems (and by the way, he is not cognitively delayed at all, which reminds me, I should update you all on him, as he just turned 2 :) ) and one child with a chromosomal disorder and one bright kindergartener don't negate all the scientific evidence of the benefits of nursing.

I didn't think it was particularly supportive or encouraging to suggest formula in a thread specifically asking about nursing.

Point taken Amy. I split the topics, but in my defense I figured everyone knows everyone else on here enough to know that anything said was tongue-in-cheek and I'm sure if somebody (like the OP) had a problem with my comment they would have let a mod know about it.

Also, as far as just being "anecdotal evidence" and not meaning much.....I think it means alot, especially if there is a significant amount of OTHER anecdotal evidences (if that's even the right word) to go along with it.

I mean, the majority of my friends bottle-feed and are in the same place physically and mentally as Andrea. My SIL breastfed both of her children, her son has allergies and both children are in the upper percentile for their weight.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think it's easy to dismiss out of hand instances when in fact I think everything is relative.

Honestly, I just don't think it's that huge of a deal I guess..... :dunno:

I agree.
I find it interesting that us moms who Formula fed...are fine with it. We Formula fed OUR children yet so many BF moms have a fit about it. Do what's right for your child, let us do what's right with ours :)
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An jes who the heck is throwin a fit? What BF'in mom here is throwin a "fit"?

What I git annoyed bout wit is the FF'ers who jes williy nilly "I COULD have BF.. but I CHOSE not to" I don't have a problem wit gals who run into medical issues, er thins of that nature where they are physically unable to BF, but when it comes down to pretty much laziness that's what I have a problem wit.

But I think it's even worse then that. I have not as of yet seen a pro-bf'er beat up on a FF'er. What I see more often is FF'ers gittin all fussy an defendin formula. Plain an simple, there is no defense for formula. You realize of course it's calf supplment? I've hauled the stuff off a feed yard in NV, had two drops in Dallas on it, one was to a ranch, the other was to COSTCO..... it's the same stuff. Jes because you can feed it an the babe doesn't die doesn't mean it's good for them er anywhere near better then breast milk. Period.

My personal opinion bout it is that those FF'ers that git all fussy are the ones feelin guilty bout it. I haven't seen anyone condem a FF'er, but I have seen BF'ers list facts an their opinions, not "your a horrible mother cause you couldn't/didn't breast feed." I dislike hearin "I could have but refused to do so", I heard a gal say one time that er breasts were for er husband, not a baby... uh.. hello?!?! Them are jes perks for guys, but God gave em to you for babies.

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I didn't specify 'in here' :rollseyes:
It's true. Read on other boards and the FF are constantly attacked on 'how could they'.
I don't feel guilty. I chose to FF and I'm happy I did. :dunno: Dh and I would FF again if we had more. :wave:

I have read other boards.. infact on CF it was the FF'ers who would git all defensive.. it was funny actually, they would come into a thread bout BF'in.. nuthin to do wit formula, only breast feedin maws talkin bout this an that, an ever single time some formula feeder would come in there an start a fuss over it... it's really quite stupid... I will admit I haven't been on cf parentin in probly over a year, but it's thins like that is why I don't bother to go back. If you wanna feed your kid sumthin that will keep them alive, have at it. I choose to use what God gave instead. An it's fact, it's better. You'll never be able to say other wise, because man will NEVER improve on what God has made. That's not blind stupidity er anythin, it's truth an fact. Some women can bf an they choose not to.. I have no sympathy for them, some when can not breast feed an my heart goes out to em. But like anythin else ... it's an overly diagnoised ordeal in my opinion. An the doctors don't help alot of women out, they act like they know what is best an then start pushin formula straight away... an act like sumthins wrong wit you if you choose to breast feed.

In the hospital wit Kat, we made it clear not to feed er any formula at all... what do they come an tell us? She's been given a couple onces of formula... completely against what we instructed... idiots.. ever last one of em.

do any ask for sympathy? I'm confused. I have yet to hear a mom who chooses to FF ask for sympathy. Odd.

Your experience with Drs is limited to your area. I've mentioned this before. Where I live (crazy California, the place you hate) NO formula is given to newborns in the hospital. When i requested Formula, I had to have the Doctor on duty, come review my chart, talk to me about it, then a nurse came and spoke to me. They discussed it and decided if they would give me the formula or not. Not every hospital hands it out and/or is willing to give it to babies. :string:

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Are you kiddin?? Ever time one of the FF moms gits their panties in a twist it's sympathy. "Oh look at me, I was this an I was that an I jes couldn't bf" bla bla bla. Many, not all, mind you I never said all, nor did I even say they were lookin for sympthay, but many are lookin for jes that, an "it's ok, you did fine, here's a cookie an a pat on the back". I simply said I have no sympathy for a mother who COULD yet refuses to do so.

To many folks worry bout what others think an it's been my expereince that mothers, especially those who have some guilt er concern er worry that they aren't good enough er sumthin like that are infact lookin for someone to tell em it's all ok an there's nuthin to worry bout.

Personnaly, I've never seen a BF'in mother feelin guilty er concerned etc bout havin bf their kid rather then feedin em syntheitc stuff. But that's jes me.

I'm confused by your whole sympathy stuff...but never mind.
I have two friends who BF and hated it and said if they have more kids they would FF. I guess it depends on the person.
I do agree with

and much of that comes from people shoving their opinions down your throat.
I'm off... :wave:

I am equally confused.... people rammin thier opinions down someones throat? Here? Me?

So.. because your two friends BF an hated it, that means what? I mean likin sumthin er dislikin sumthin really doesn't change the thin. BF is healthier, better etc etc etc. I'm not sure what is at odds here really. Formula is second best, it's jes fact.

Not likin to BF doesn't mean that formula all of a sudden becomes more healthy. Infact, the absoulte only benifit I can find for formula is that it allows others to feed the baby.... well.. I spose if that's more important to someone then have at it. Still doesn't mak it a better option in my opinion. Unless there's some sort of a medical issue an the like, formula isn't ever goin to be better then breast.

Maybe we've gotten off topic here, but is this split thread now bout wether formula er breast milk is better/worse an the benifits er what? Maybe I've jes gotten confused by it.

I dislike hearin thins like, so an so didn't like to breast feed so they didn't, er my breasts are for my husband not a kid, er I don't want to produce milk cause it's gross etc etc etc I really dislike hearin that sort of thin because to me, it says that they are more important then the child an it's easy to turn a blind eye jes because alllllll these other sites, lables, doctors, people etc say formula is jes as good as breast milk.. it's not. Jes that simple, infact I noticed in a commerical on tv the other day in small print where they said that breast milk was best, an it was a formula commerical. I don't think anyone can actually argue that formula is better for ones baby health wise.

I don't know if anyone has ever said formula was better. It's an option and one that some think is terrible and others think is fine.
I had the option to nurse or FF and I decided to FF. My choice, my decision. My children are healthy, smart, have had no issues, aren't allergic to anything, well behaved and I'm happy with my decision.

In GENERAL, I (my opinion from those I've known and the boards I've belonged to) people who nurse look down on people who formula feed. There's another msg board which someone requested the blinky "I formula fed my child" and it started an entire thread of women saying they can't believe people would be proud to state that. Nasty comments were made etc.

Ok. I'm off for the day. I'm done with this. All I know is I'm happy with our decision, would make the same decision in a heartbeat and I don't look down nor do I look up to those who BF.



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Nevermind me :angel:

It's totally not anyone on this board that gets under my skin.......except for Squat.......and maybe A2J. :gotcha: KIDDING!

Seriously, everyone on here knows each other well enough to know our personal beliefs and know that no matter what we say about an issue, more than likely minds will not be changed and we'll just agree to disagree.

I think breast feeding is better in that it's natural, of course formula is not. And anything that you can get naturally rather than man-made is going to be healthier for you. But I stand by my claim that I think the negatives are blown out of proportion (like obesity, lower IQ, allergies, etc).

I think it depends on the child and their susceptibility to those issues. All of my friends FF their children, none show any of those issues. Of the few children I know that have been BF, 2 are in the upper percentiles of weight (90-95th), and two others have allergy problems. One of them is way behind what Andrea was in talking, etc at her age. I think it's easy to pick & choose children to skew results one way or the other.

BFing is great because it's natural. But I personally haven't seen any issues with people that have chosen to FF either.

I see the pros and cons of both sides... were Misty actually having ot hold downa paying job we'd have BFed as long as we could then Sera would have to go on Formula when Misty went back to work... beinga SAHM means we don't have to have a sitter.. though it makes it more difficult becaus eIf Misty goes somewhere she needs to bring Sera... (though if she actually used that damned pump I bought her........ nvm dif arguement).....

I was formula Fed, My sisters and thier kids were too...

I mean Formula feeding (or pumping) allows dad to get in on the bonding too....But too many FFers (not all by any way shape and or form just many of the ones I've seen) out there just plop the kid on the ground and shove the bottle in their beak and slama pillow under the bottle... I understand doing that on occasion... you have a lot of cleaning to get done, you have this to do or that to do , but not because Oprah and Bono are having an I'm a better humanatarian than you contest.....

I think Most FFers are alright.... I think Most BFers are all right.. I think there are just a few militant few (No A2J I'm not saying you are militant though there are some in my wife's church who are on both sides) that to borrow an A2J term Frack it up for the rest of us and push us to choose sides...

I'm cool with whatever Misty Chooses, but I don't want her to bitch about choice a or b (or I guess it would be b or f huh?) because she made it and she can unmake it when she chooses....

Raspy, you need to be really supportive of Misty right now. Right now is when the hard work of breastfeeding is and why so many give up during this time - because they don't get the support and encouragement they need and that includes listening to bitching. At around 4 months is when breastfeeding becomes so much easier and starts to really become a joy. Baby is into a "routine", any pain is gone and there is an actual noticible gap between growth spurts. Raspy, you need to be Misty's cheering squad during this time. She's telling you that she really wants to breastfeed and succeed and a supportive father/husband can mean the difference between success and failure.

Oh, and IMO if daddy/relative/friend gets bent out of shape because they don't feel like they can bond with baby because they can't shovel a bottle in baby's mouth they've got issues. There are plenty of other things that people can do to bond with baby. And it's only for 6 short months - surely people can put there own desires on hold for that long for the good of baby. Infact I think Louis has fed the kids a lot longer than I have. I got 6 months of exclusive breastfeeding and then after that the kids have basically robbed all the food off his plate since then (I sit the baby next to him so I can eat in peace :shh: ) LOL

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I really wanted to say something to that post, but couldn't think of how to say it.

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Can we get back to the roo-deb cat fight....that seemed like more fun.


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