Title: Objectivity here please
Addicted2~Jesus - February 13, 2008 02:21 AM (GMT)
I know that many of you side wit Sarah regardless of what the issue/subject/topic of anythin we talk bout here, ya know whole 80-20 nonsense etc, but I would like to know if what I'm bout to say is wit in the possibility of the "normal" realm of thinkin, is it plausible, is it wit in sane thinkin.... ok.. so if you can not be objective, don't bother to respond, it's that simple, if you have already made your mind up that I'm wrong an that's that, so be it, I am interested to know wether er not what I am thinkin is a possiblity in the realm of this world bla bla bla. No I don't mean if you disagree don't respond, but if you can not be objective, then don't bother.
Two instances of the same thin has shown up over the last week, I'm only goin to list the one as it's shorter an easier to figure out, but both are the same in this example.
Jes today in a conversation wit Sarah this is what was said, bare in mind it was bout Liam an he was currently engaged in a temper tantrum.
bare also in mind, some of this may be paraphrased an I am all to happy to correct anythin I may have fowled up.
"so what? At least I don't go to the extremes like you do."
Now the issue comes in wit this, I claim that Sarah is sayin by this that 100% of the time I go to extremes, I ALWAYS go to extremes, I go to extremes ALL the time.
She claims that's not what she was sayin, yet I can not reconcil what she ACTUALLY did say wit what she's tryin to say now. The same thin happened the other day, might give it as an example later if needed for clarification.
To me, the statment she made, implies witout any other qaulifyin statements that it is an absoulte. I always go to extremes. Had she said:
"So what? Least I don't go to extremes like you sometimes do."
"So what? Least I don't go to extremes like you often do."
"So what? Least I don't go to extremes like you more often then not do."
Any of those would have taken it from 100% of the time to bein sumthin else entirely. Do you ALWAYS havta use a qaulifyin statement like that? No I don't think so, should you use a qaulifyin statement like that in regards to parentin? Marriage? Sex? Anythin major that has the potential to launch folks off into world war 3? I think so.
So quite simply put, am I to far off base to think that the statement she made today an a simular one the other day is jes that, off base? Er is there any credence in what er the way I am thinkin. Er am I flat out thinkin... hehe... wrong... it's ok to say so.. my wifes been tellin me I'm wrong for years.. I don't expect that to end any time soon....
rasplundjr - February 13, 2008 10:37 AM (GMT)
Having darn near the same kind of thing told to me time and time again I agree with you 100%.
With a statement like that and in a situation like that sounds like I think that you should have to qualify / quantify the remark.
And I get the Why are you always so..... <fill in the blank> which is odd because from one week to the next the <fill in the blank> could be complete opposites.... thereby immediately nullifying the ALWAYS.....
Sounds though that this may have been heated or semi heated conversation and thereby people don't have a chance to do the mental editing that would make them realize oh yeah there should be a qualifying statement there, because when Misty does that to me I sit her down and I list all the times in x time period that I acted differently then her statement implies, I'll throw in yeah I did that here here and here but what about here here here and there.....
I have this kind of argument with her a lot......
and from time to time I tie!!!!
Nobody wins and argument but sometimes you can tie.......
**edited by author to be made more A2J DWR friendly**
Addicted2~Jesus - February 18, 2008 04:04 PM (GMT)
Gee... I really had no idea there were that many biased folks here. To change up the topic jes a bit, is it Sarah's always, er more then likely/often, right an I'm jes wrong? Regardless of the situation etc? Is that the likely out come here?
Specifically I wanted to know wether er not it was even witin the relam of possibility that the way I was thinkin was not unlike anyone else in the world, wether er not I'm the only one that thinks this way er that. I'm really rather surprised that apperently I am. Thank you Raspy for respondin objectively, which is what I was lookin for, thanks.
Stringaling - February 18, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Addicted2~Jesus @ Feb 12 2008, 09:21 PM) |
To me, the statment she made, implies witout any other qaulifyin statements that it is an absoulte. I always go to extremes. |
Sounds like a recording from my house!
I tell my husband he goes to the extreme. He takes what I said to the extreme ( :wall: ) and redefines it to mean "always goes to the extreme."
Why?
I didn't say that.
And in your case why do you take it to mean that? Even when she says it doesn't mean that?
THink of it this way. For me in my house and from my mouth, when I tell my husband that he goes to the extreme, it doesn't mean that he always goes to the extreme, just like if I say he goes fishing it doesn't mean that he always goes fishing, does it?
| QUOTE |
| Specifically I wanted to know wether er not it was even witin the relam of possibility that the way I was thinkin was not unlike anyone else in the world, wether er not I'm the only one that thinks this way er that. |
Now that raspy claims that the same thing happens in his house too, I am beginning to think that perhaps this very "discussion" is pretty common in marriages.... :dunno: Sounds to me like men often take such comments like "you're going to an extreme" to its furthest possible meaning. I was unaware that this very thing happened in other homes.. I thought I was the only one with this type of issue.
Apparently your way of thinking is not isolated. My husband does it too.
Fortunate for me, our faith requires us to do a lot of introspection and look at ourselves and our behaviors and actions more closely and see ourselves as we truly are. So, sometimes we both apologises about these types of arguments because he realizes he was being an ass and I was being argumentative and self justifying.. We're both in the wrong.
squatpuke - February 18, 2008 08:05 PM (GMT)
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I'd like to reply to this post...
But can't figure out what you hippies are all talking about...
Can anyone summarize?
Stringaling - February 18, 2008 10:25 PM (GMT)
Squat, this is for adult thoughts and adult minds. IF you don't get it, then that should be a clue.
;)