Here are just a few of the lies that he is deceiving people into believing, and therefore those people are becoming negligent toward their attainment of Salvation.

In the Holy Scriptures St. Paul says:

Paul, apostle of Christ, says that he is the cheif of all sinners.
He didn't say "was" or "used to be." He acknowledges that even though he loves and has faith in Jesus Christ as God, he is still living in a fallen world and is subject to the temptations therein, and that if he falls, it is sin and he is still a sinner.


Joel Osteen says:

But Jesus Christ our God says:

How Joel says Jesus would behave:

How Jesus actually behaved:

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If Joel's ideas were the case, God wouldn't have chosen to be born into poverty, laid on cow food as a crib with the aroma of animal sh** floating around, and humbled enough to be a poor manual laborer. He would have chosen to be born with more financial means with which to accomplish His work.

Joel teaches that faith is a power that can control God. This is a lie!! Nothing man can do can "activate God" to do anything for us... You cannot wish things into existance, and claiming something to be true or real does not make it so. You've heard of people "saying it so much she's come to believe it herself"? This is the case in which repitition makes a thing real, and that is only to the mind of the repeater...And to attribute any healing or blessing to one's own "faith" that it would occur is vain and prideful.

I know there are a few of you who may put your confidence in this man, but all the evidence in scripture points him out as a fraud. Please tell me how he can have such an honorable place in your minds and hearts? Sure he "preaches" a positive message and feel good ideas, but his theology is full of holes and I cannot see how his followers are not blinded by the light of Truth shining through his sieve? :dunno:

I don't agree with much of what he says either, String. I think you'd be surprised with how similar our understanding of theology is, even though I am not from the same church as you. :)

That is really good to know.. :hug:

I'd really like to hear from a pro-Joel person.. How do yo look at these things and still put your trust in his teachings?

Seems like many of those quotes may be taken out of context - short snipets used to prove a point.

String, how many of his sermons have you watched/listened to? Or is this just research done online?

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My husband stops on TBN all the freakin time to watch the latest stuff they're spewing. He used to be caught up in that religios movement for a while and he watches clippets while he's channel surfing...Watches Richard Roberts and reminices about being in that room listening to the same crap...Watches bits of Joel Osteen, Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn, etc...Really, I have to complain to make him turn the channel...He likes to see what crazy things they're saying today.... So, yes, I have seen him....Why do you ask??

Oh, and I don't believe those things are taken out of context. can you tell me how they are taken out of context? What other possible meaning could "We were old sinners - but when we came to Christ we are not sinners anymore." possibly have??????

Seriously...I'd like to know what else that could possibly mean...

I rest my case........

I think the Rat was talkin bout the quotes from scripture, I could be wrong but that's what I understood it to mean. An if that's the case, then far to often folks take one lil sumthin out of the bible an squeeze it to fit anythin they want it to. Er IOW's out of context.

So your case is that I believe that the things he and his contemporaries teach are false, unbiblical, and blatant silliness???

So your case is that I believe that the things he and his contemporaries teach are false, unbiblical, and blatant silliness???

Ummmm...Okay...sure...

If you'll read those scriptures in light of Osteen's quote you'll see they are not out of context....He had to have been talking about Osteen...

Does anyone else want to say "olsteen" instead of "osteen"?? That's a tricky one for the tongue..:P

Actually, I was talking about the quotes from Olsteen - not scripture. (Sorry a2j). I mean, I can take a speech given by any priest, preacher, or whoever and turn it into a hate speech by giving bits & pieces of it.

that was my point. Now, going to watch an Olsteen sermon & make a decision for myself...without reading, listening, or believing what other people or websites tell me to believe.

String, I bolded each of the comments you made that I referred to. Each one of those are such thins as "spewin", "crazy" etc etc all the while while talkin specifically bout TBN, a protestant station.

It doesn't matter who it is, what color their skin, the only thin that does SEEM to matter to folks like yourselves an the catholics is wether er not your of that particular faith. Hence why I said before bout Jesse Duplantis er John Hagee, wouldn't make a sqautin difference who they are if they aren't of your order.

I am not actually stickin up for Joel, I don't like em but niether do I dislike em, infact I haven't seen em in a couple years (we lost the station he came on) but when he was on, he never said anythin that I would have disagreed wit. I'm not concerned bout his interview er any of the thins folks seem to be tryin to git caught up in, I can only speak from what I know an what I know is what I have seen of his telecasts. There are a few threads round here where Clay an I had talked bout Joel, cause I asked some questions bout em. But we are splittin some really off the wall hairs here. Some of this all comes down to 'your' church an then the evil protestants. That's whats happenin here In My Opinion.

I'd highly doubt there is any protestant teachers/preachers that you'd like er agree wit er didn't believe was, and I quote: "all the freakin time to watch the latest stuff they're spewing" Your mind has been well made up in advance. For example, in the event you didn't by chance know this, TBN doesn't air only one program all day an night long... so to say the entire thin was "spewin" etc is jes to say you've not paid any attention to what is bein said.

The majority of the programming on that station, and actually those who founded it, teach things that I vew as unscriptural, misled, and ofentimes totally bizarre. Can you not agree that when you hear peple teaching things that you see as false and totally off the mark, that you would perceive it as "crazy"? This is my belief, and from all your posts you seem so angered that I could even think that about those teachrs..It really shouldn't bother you...Your opinion doesn't anger me...

Ahh...But that isn't right. What mattrs is if they are teaching the truth or a man centered gospel. The word of faithers, charismatics, pentecostals, all tend to teach things that I believe are bastardizations of scripture. Their ideas are relatively new in the entire spectrum of Christanity and were never upheld as they are now. Well, the word of faith movement has a longer history that has deep roots in gnosticism, but I'll have to do more study before I can talk about that one...Anyway, my point is that if they teach false things, I will not support it. I believe those teachers teach false things. I has nothing to do with them not being of my faith.

BTW, you keep saying "of your order"...What does that mean?

I remember that.. I did a really good job of biting my tongue then.. B)

That is most certainly not the case. THere has been a great misunderstanding here and I apologise for that. I will try to be more clear in the future...

Its almost a daily thing for him to flip over there on his channel surf...It irritates the hell out of me so it is "all the freakin time" in my opinion..Just like his underwear is on the bathroom floor "all the freakin time".. :wall: There are people out there who do teach closer to the truth than those particular televangelists, and preachers. But, I cannot wholly agree with them because there are things that they teach that are rather misled. I cannot put my faith in what they teach. fIf it makes you feel any better, I sometimes can't agree wholly with my own priests teachings...They are all human and they will miss the mark...

With as much as my husband flips through there...I know they'e got a ton of different programmig. The kids do sometimes watch the saturday cartoons on there, and sometimes they haved Wallbuilders programmes, and sometimes very badly acted Christian themed movies, so I know a bit more about the station than you assume... Its just that the preachers and their teachings that are lauded so heavily there, I just can't agree with or support. I believe they've bee misled and deceived and that the things they are teaching are wrong, furthe misleading and deceiving those who listen and believe them...