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seige - October 4, 2007 07:39 PM (GMT)
Ok folks...

I was nervous about posting this but since none of you are going to contact our family or friends or anything and I'm getting nervous so...

(Note: this is where I sat at the screen and stared for about ten minutes before posting the following)

We've been trying to get pregnant for the last two and a half months. Our parents tell the story that they were Fertile Mertyl and got pregnant the first time they did it without protection (or in my mom's case with protection). At what point do we start getting worried? Uh.... So now you are the first people we've told. If you tell our families my wife is going to find you and kill you... and then she'll kill me.

sf49erfan - October 4, 2007 08:18 PM (GMT)
If your wife was on the pill, then it can take several months for her to be really fertile again. I'm sure the fertility specialist would tell you to keep trying for about a year before seeing them.

amyroo - October 4, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I think 6 months to a year is within normal. So don't worry yet.

rasplundjr - October 4, 2007 08:53 PM (GMT)
Well my wife and I werent' using any protection we werent' trying for or aginst having one, and it took 2.25 years.....

Then again I was having some medical issues for the first year and change that might have made it harder to conceive.... (plus a naturally unnaturally high body temp (usually 101.1 ish))

so after everything got sorted out still about 8 months ish after my body started to regulate it's chemistry better.....

Keneke - October 4, 2007 09:38 PM (GMT)
After a year is when one usually seeks doctors advice. Most OB/GYN's now tell you it could take a year.

Stringaling - October 4, 2007 09:40 PM (GMT)
Found this:

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There is no reason to worry about becoming pregnant after you stop taking the pill. The pill will in no way affect your fertility and more than 90% of pill-users become pregnant within a year of coming off the pill. This being said, it does take some women longer to become pregnant after stopping the pill.

Typically, it takes about three months for full fertility to return. Some women may find that it takes closer to six months for them to become pregnant. Other women become pregnant immediately after going off of the of the pill. It really depends upon your body’s own natural cycle. Though you can try to get pregnant immediately after coming off of the pill, it is usually recommended that you wait a little while. Allow your body to go through one or two regular menstrual cycles. This will help your body get back in sync again, and will also help you to pinpoint your ovulation dates.

LynnMcG - October 5, 2007 05:37 PM (GMT)
I knew this couple who tried for two years to get pregnant. Then the first time they "did it" on a Tuesday, they got pregnant. Apparently, their busy work schedules kept them apart on Tuesday evenings for a couple of years, so they missed their most fertile day! Pretty funny.

So my advice, do it on a Tuesday! Seriously, I don't think there's reason to worry. Also, the whole birth control thing can take a while to get out of our systems, so if she was on the pill/shot/patch, it could take up to 6 months to get out of her system.

Hey, go have some fun baby making sex this weekend!

rasplundjr - October 5, 2007 05:54 PM (GMT)
heck just to make sure you hit her "most fertile day" do it nightly for a months or so, if it's still not taking... do it every couple hours... in case you miss that most fertile hour.....

take one for the team man take one for the team.....

Stringaling - October 5, 2007 06:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rasplundjr @ Oct 5 2007, 12:54 PM)


take one for the team man take one for the team.....

:doh:

seige - October 8, 2007 02:59 PM (GMT)
Well my wife is sorta bummed out now. We've been trying to get pregnant and now her brother called her on Saturday and informed her that he and his wife of six months are now pregnant. My wife is bummed b/c if we had gotten pregnant it would have been the first grandchild and she was looking forward to surprising her parents with little presents that said "Grandma" and "Grandpa" on them. Now she feels like when they open them they'll say- "What a nice gift" and think it is from us because they are going to be grandparents of her brother's kid. She's having a hard time because we're the couple that tries to do everything "right". We waited to have sex until we were married. We had some rough spots in our marriage so we made sure to get those hammered out before we even thought about having kids. Her brother cheated on his wife a couple of years ago and ended up getting divorced but then cheated on his mistress with this girl he ended up quickly marrying in February 07. Now he is having a kid. He's really impetuous and essentially does whatever he wants. A year ago he was telling his dad to help pick his wife from his original mistress and this girl b/c he wanted to just get married and have kids. He said, about the girl he married, that she "was nothing to write home about" concerning her looks but she seemed like a nice person. I just pray this dork's pregnancy doesn't steal any of the thunder my wife is hoping from her family. They've been on us for 12 years to have kids!

rasplundjr - October 8, 2007 04:01 PM (GMT)
when you rush with kids.. things go wrong.....


Children aren't a race it's not the quantity of kids but quality of the raising...

You and your wife did what you felt was right you made sure the marriage was stable before trying to bring a child in, I applaud you for that, bringing a kid into a tense situation acts more like a wedge then glue.... And the one that would have suffered most would have been your child.

Here's praying that things work out for the best for you and your BIL because sounds like the road he's on his child is gonna need all the prayers they can get because there is no telling that the child's homelife is ever going to be stabel with a father like that..

andiesmama - October 8, 2007 04:15 PM (GMT)
I 2nd the 6 months to a year thing. When we started trying to get pregnant, my OB told me that if 6 months go by, then we'd start looking into things. He also told me that it may take up to a year as well.

Plus, the more you guys stress about it, the harder it'll be, for some reason.

I bought one of those ovulation predictor kits and used that, got pregnant the first time I used it, so that might be something to think about as well.

Good luck! :hug:

Stringaling - October 8, 2007 06:00 PM (GMT)
I have to agree with Raspy. Don't rush these things..By the way it sounds, his kids will probably end up being turds and the grandparents will like yours better anyway:)..

I like the idea of the ovulation oredictor kits! What you should do, to increase sperm count, and therefore chances of pregancy occurring is wait and only do it during ovulatory times, or at least wait a week before or something to up the count..That should help too...

Stringaling - October 8, 2007 06:01 PM (GMT)
Fertility shop

here is a link to a place you can get all sorts of fertility monitoring things. I have used a saliva fertility microscope--its cheaper than uying the OPKs every month and its reusable forever. You lick a slide firts thing in the morning and if your spit dries in a ferning pattern then you're probably fertile. If not, wait to do it till your spit ferns!

Keneke - October 9, 2007 04:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (seige @ Oct 8 2007, 08:59 AM)
Well my wife is sorta bummed out now. We've been trying to get pregnant and now her brother called her on Saturday and informed her that he and his wife of six months are now pregnant. My wife is bummed b/c if we had gotten pregnant it would have been the first grandchild and she was looking forward to surprising her parents with little presents that said "Grandma" and "Grandpa" on them. Now she feels like when they open them they'll say- "What a nice gift" and think it is from us because they are going to be grandparents of her brother's kid. She's having a hard time because we're the couple that tries to do everything "right". We waited to have sex until we were married. We had some rough spots in our marriage so we made sure to get those hammered out before we even thought about having kids. Her brother cheated on his wife a couple of years ago and ended up getting divorced but then cheated on his mistress with this girl he ended up quickly marrying in February 07. Now he is having a kid. He's really impetuous and essentially does whatever he wants. A year ago he was telling his dad to help pick his wife from his original mistress and this girl b/c he wanted to just get married and have kids. He said, about the girl he married, that she "was nothing to write home about" concerning her looks but she seemed like a nice person. I just pray this dork's pregnancy doesn't steal any of the thunder my wife is hoping from her family. They've been on us for 12 years to have kids!

My MIL favors my SIL (her daughter) grandkids over all the others. I don't know what it is but I guess your daughter having a baby is slightly more special that your sons wife having a baby. :dunno:
I wouldn't rush into anything just to beat them to the finish line. Who knows, you guys might have the opposite gender and so there will still be a 'first' for her parents.

As for fertility, I just tracked my cycles on www.babycenter.com. That gave me my most fertile days.

:wave:

Stringaling - October 9, 2007 10:58 AM (GMT)
I'm tracking cycles at www.mymonthlycycles.com..

There are probably a thousand web sites out there to help track cycles and fertile days. Try one..or two!

andiesmama - October 9, 2007 11:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keneke @ Oct 9 2007, 12:47 AM)
As for fertility, I just tracked my cycles on www.babycenter.com. That gave me my most fertile days.


:nod: I used that, too! Along with the OP kits, they matched up for the most part.

seige - October 9, 2007 07:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Stringaling @ Oct 8 2007, 12:00 PM)
I have to agree with Raspy. Don't rush these things..By the way it sounds, his kids will probably end up being turds and the grandparents will like yours better anyway:)..

I like the idea of the ovulation oredictor kits! What you should do, to increase sperm count, and therefore chances of pregancy occurring is wait and only do it during ovulatory times, or at least wait a week before or something to up the count..That should help too...

Wait for a week or so?! Whattayou nuts?! This mandatory waiting a day or two is rough on me! The book we were looking at was just "do it every 2-3 days" :nono: While it's nice to have a guarantee of sex... I can't imagine waiting a week or so!

Of course, I'm kidding. Whatever it takes.


I'm also not in a race with my BIL and I don't really care what her parents think of us or our kid but it does distress my wife some. Not that it's a race, but the fact that she feels it will be "less special"

Know what I mean?

OH, and I've been tracking my fertility but it doesn't seem to be helping....

Stringaling - October 9, 2007 08:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (seige @ Oct 9 2007, 02:57 PM)

Wait for a week or so?! Whattayou nuts?!

OH, and I've been tracking my fertility but it doesn't seem to be helping....

:lena:



Grandmas don't care who is first..Let me tell ya! Grandbabies is grandbabies..The more the better.. :rollseyes:

Has she started tracking things yet?

rasplundjr - October 9, 2007 09:01 PM (GMT)
If she's really upset about her parents bugging her about when are they gonna be grandparents, tape the practice sessions and show it to them as proof that you're trying.....

That should quiet them down.....

Stringaling - October 9, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rasplundjr @ Oct 9 2007, 04:01 PM)
If she's really upset about her parents bugging her about when are they gonna be grandparents, tape the practice sessions and show it to them as proof that you're trying.....

That should quiet them down.....

:eek:


:faint:

seige - October 9, 2007 10:28 PM (GMT)
Taping huh...... :thumbsup:

My wife hasn't started tracking. We weren't too worried about it, kinda assumed since our parents got pregnant when they didn't want to we've been lucky up until this point. We weren't really, really worried but we have timed it out that if we got pregnant at this time CJ'd be outta school so he could help out at home a lot more w/o having to take leave, and things like that. I don't really want to get pregnant too late in the year b/c I don't want her to have the kid during the first few weeks of school! No sub will come in then!

....It has to be said- what is up with your Meez, String? It looks like it's trying to coax someone into bed with chocolate! Now if it was a guy- that might work but since you're a girl all you have to really do is show up- preferrably naked and we're game!

Keneke - October 9, 2007 10:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (seige @ Oct 9 2007, 04:28 PM)

....It has to be said- what is up with your Meez, String? It looks like it's trying to coax someone into bed with chocolate! Now if it was a guy- that might work but since you're a girl all you have to really do is show up- preferrably naked and we're game!

:blink: :string:

seige - October 9, 2007 11:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Keneke @ Oct 9 2007, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (seige @ Oct 9 2007, 04:28 PM)

....It has to be said- what is up with your Meez, String?  It looks like it's trying to coax someone into bed with chocolate!  Now if it was a guy- that might work but since you're a girl all you have to really do is show up- preferrably naked and we're game!

:blink: :string:

Please, you know we're talking men and women generally... The only woman coaxing me into bed is (and always will be) my wife!

Stringaling - October 10, 2007 01:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (seige @ Oct 9 2007, 05:28 PM)


....It has to be said- what is up with your Meez, String? It looks like it's trying to coax someone into bed with chocolate! Now if it was a guy- that might work but since you're a girl all you have to really do is show up- preferrably naked and we're game!

:doh:


I never thought about that....Great! I was just trying to enjoy some chocolate in my pretty pink room..... :nono:

FunnyGirl - November 6, 2007 03:04 AM (GMT)
Ok, so.... Hey y'all. It has been quite awhile since I have posted, (this is seige's wife). Now you know that we have been trying to get pregnant for the last four months and still no go.

Logistically, we still look good for timing (our timing, of course), if we get pregnant in November... Baby would be here in August.

Emotionally, I am feeling beat down. Everytime my cycle (sorry guys) is 5 minutes late, I get hopeful and spend a lot of time in my head trying to figure out the best way to tell my husband, my best friends, my family. Or I figure out the first possible day a test will come back positive and I take it and stare so hard at it the pink lines blur and I think for a second that there are two. Alas, I need to get my eyes checked I guess. Every month I feel like a failure.

I feel like such a complainer.... our marriage is great, we are finally in a house that we love with a yard for the dogs, I have finished a year of my doctorate, DHs job is going great.... all in all we are so blessed. I just can't help the feeling of really wanting this pregnancy. We have both prayed long and hard before even trying, sought Godly counsel, and waited, and waited, and did I mention we have been married six years, and waited. Finally, we felt like God was giving us the go ahead and now..... a truckload of nothing. (OK not nothing because the trying is a whole lot of fun :eyebrows:

I know 4 months is not an overly long time but it still seems like something should have happened. I have not been on the pill for 4 years, we are both under 30, healthy, active, nonsmokers, no genetic problems, emotionally stable (as much as someone around here can be), and I know roughly when the fertile time is so we plan around that.

Prayers are always appreciated..... any other advice to fill my time instead of moping?

Keneke - November 6, 2007 03:13 AM (GMT)
If you are concerned, see your Dr and have Siege seen as well.
Are you charting? Do you know when you're ovulating and all that good stuff?

squatpuke - November 6, 2007 03:39 AM (GMT)
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If there's a physical problem, I'm sure it's seige and all those roids he's on....


Step one is for him to go "natural"....


Anyway....I say, "let go"...don't fret about it...perhaps God has a different 'timetable'.

Enjoy the blessings He's given and keep trying...

andiesmama - November 6, 2007 12:57 PM (GMT)
I agree with K, stressing about it isn't going to help so (altho you've probably done it already) both you & Seige should go to the doctor & get a complete physical, top to bottom, bloodwork & all that good stuff. (I know that thyroid problems can be one factor in it being a challenge to get pregnant)

Then, once you get the all clear, at least THAT nagging worry is out of your head and you can work on TRULY giving it all up to God and His timing.

I have every confidence that soon we'll be celebrating another precious little gift from God on this board!! :hug:

hope4today - November 6, 2007 03:31 PM (GMT)
Wow How did I miss this thread all this time?? :blink:

FunnyGirl, I remember those feelings well. It took quite a while for me to fall pregnant with our first. I remember crying every time I got my rotten period. And then to top it off my friends seemed to be falling pregnant left, right and centre around me. You have my empathy and prayers :hug: :pray:

It's hard not to be consumed by it all. I can't believe that what seemed to take for ever is now so long ago. I have three beautiful daughters, one of whom I am teaching to drive at the moment....well not right at the moment 'cos I'm sitting here typing this but you get what I mean :doh:

If I remember correctly I think we started to get tests etc done at about the 12 month mark. That seems to be the general marker when the doc thinjs it is worth starting to look.

Now Seige, Raspy's advice was really really bad :screwy: ......somehow I suspect it came out of wishful thinking rather than well informed advice :tease:

LESS IS MORE when it comes to making babies. I think we've been friends up till now and I realise that statement might change things but a real friend tells the truth :cheeky:

Praying for you both. Hopefully soon I will be praying for the three of you.

:pray:




Stringaling - November 6, 2007 05:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hope4today @ Nov 6 2007, 10:31 AM)

LESS IS MORE when it comes to making babies.

Exactly! Make sure he saves up them swimmers until fertile times, so there will be more and therefore more likely that one will make it..

Are you charting, checking fertile signs, taking temps, etc??? Those things really help to pinpoint exact feritle times.

Also (sorry bout this guys) but a really good cue is when you start "feeling slippery" That is a sure sign that ovulation is coming. Ther are many web site out there that will give more details and physical signs to look for, but I can't think of any off the top of my head and I'm kinda in the middle of homeschooling(my daughter's dong a math page) and I've gotta go back to her soon, so I don't have time to look for some.

Good luck and keep us updated!

andiesmama - November 6, 2007 05:53 PM (GMT)
:agree: with "less is more"

squatpuke - November 6, 2007 06:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Stringaling @ Nov 6 2007, 10:36 AM)
Also (sorry bout this guys) but a really good cue is when you start "feeling slippery"

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TMI

Stringaling - November 6, 2007 06:37 PM (GMT)
And so the apology...

You don't wanna hear or read about baby making, LEAVE THE THREAD! :tease:

Honey - November 6, 2007 08:11 PM (GMT)
Slippery's good....:thumbsup:

FunnyGirl - November 8, 2007 02:06 AM (GMT)
Thanks you guys. Today is a better day. Thanks for all the thips and tricks. I have joined the Fertility Friend website and am currently passing the lessons with flying colors.

I have read the book "The Art of Natural Family Planning" and while we have not been actively charting, I kind of know my cycles. I am thinking of getting a kit to use at home too, just to make sure we don't "waste" all of seige's swimmers.

I can only hope that in a short time we can post about being pregnant and you guys can be sick of hearing about it!

On a kind of side note.... thanks for being a great group of supporters for my DH. You keep him sharp (by fighting with him... I get tired of doing it), encourage him when he is down and you have given him a place to be able to gain christian insight while we are in a place that it is hard to find. FYI - the bay area sucks!
Anyway - THANKS!!!!!!

Keneke - November 8, 2007 03:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (FunnyGirl @ Nov 7 2007, 08:06 PM)
FYI - the bay area sucks!

Hey!!!! :box: :box:
The south bay sucks. The Bay Area doesn't :P

Sarah - November 8, 2007 04:31 AM (GMT)
FunnyGirl, are you propping your hips after being intimate and not getting up and peeing etc, for at least 30 mins?

Oh, and another thing you might want to share with hubby is that you can increase your chances of pregnancy if YOU orgasm after he has done his thing. So make sure siege knows that his part in the process is NOT done after he's "done" but rather after YOU'RE "done" :D

hope4today - November 8, 2007 05:54 AM (GMT)
Ummmm I thought the orgasm thing was the other way around. Woman is best to orgasm first as that makes the area more sperm friendly. That's worth checking out 'cos I know that can make a difference but you just want to make sure which one first.

If I remember correctly when we were trying if you wanted a girl baby the women was meant to orgasm last because the area would be more hostile when the sperm went in and girl sperm are more resilient than boys so were more likely to make it.

If you wanted a boy the women was meant to orgasm first 'cos the environment is sperm friendly for both but boys are faster swimmers so will likely get to the egg first.

:dunno:

I'll see if I can confirm for sure somewhere but I'm not much good at this internet searching stuff.......Calling Deb, where are you??

Stringaling - November 8, 2007 11:44 AM (GMT)
I googled it and found a lot of info that supports orgasm as an aid to getting pregnant:

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Some researchers believe that having an orgasm during sex increases your chances of getting pregnant. For women, the spasmic movements of orgasm will help pull the sperm into the uterus and for men a better orgasm may increase the man’s sperm count.


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The physiology behind the female orgasm is simple. When a woman has an orgasm her cervix, the mouth of the uterus, contracts as the uterus moves. This causes the uterus to dip or bob into the vagina. If the male has already had an orgasm, then this area is rich in semen (sperm). This motion of the cervix will actually draw the semen into the cervix and uterus to aid in it's passage towards the ripe egg.


I only thing I found about the pH balance of the vagina caused by orgasm is this and it doesn't say anything about gender of the baby conceived(but who knows?):

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Enjoy the lovemaking process. Studies show that when women orgasm, it creates an alkaline state in the vagina that sperm prefer over the normal acid conditions. If you have an orgasm at the same time or shortly after your partner ejaculates, it increases the opportunity for sperm to survive the trip to the cervix.


And here's a really unusual tip:

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Robitussin has an active ingredient known as guaifenesin that has been shown to have thinning effect on cervical mucous. This can be helpful to women who have abnormal ovulation, but not for women whose ovulation is on schedule.


Note to self: try to avoid robitussin.. :nono:




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