Piercing is a sin?

:offtopic: This is an official warning from the off topic police!! Your question will be answered as succinctly as possible and discussion will resume on the topic at hand... B)

Aside:

As I said, piercing ourselves from top to bottom, such as on this site:

Pierced

is sin. To desecreate the Temple of the Holy Spirit and the body given to is as a gift from God would be a sin. In the same way that totally removing evidence of one'e true gender and surgically altering it to resemble the opposite gender.

Really, do you want to derail this thread to focus on a menial comment I made while trying to make a larger point? Don't get hung up on the peircing comment. There is a whole other issue at hand I was discussing.

Feel free to start another thread to justify body piercing..

Back on topic people! :)

Mods: please create a split thread on the piercing.

B) Ask and ye shall receive........ B)

.
.
Too subjective...

Is simply ear piercing a sin? If so, then all piercing is a sin.

If not, then where do draw the line on when piercing is a sin? Based on your opinion?

That's my question.

Why can you pierce up to a certain point before it becomes a sin? Also, who determines the number of piercing before a sin has been committed.

The church that I grew up in considered it sinful to have piercings of any kind. Mostly because they felt that it was only done for the purpose of adorning yourself with materialistic jewellery.

I don't mind it personally. Given our society, you can't really draw attention to yourself by having pierced ears. My wife's ears are pierced, but she didn't grow up in a legalistic church.

That being said, we figure that we won't pierce our daughter's ears until she's grown and ready to make that decision on her own.

On the topic of excessive piercings, I think that there is a point where it gets to far, but that's just for me and I don't think that line can be drawn universally.

:whistle: :bolt:

:chicken:

:agree:

I can really relate to this. When I got mine done after I got married, my parents went ballistic. (yeah, I'm a rebel. B)) Candace can get hers done once she's old enough to care for them herself, too.

.
.
My 7 year old just got her ears pierced last weekend...

She's really enjoying showing them off...

Really? So, how much drama was there when she got it done?

.
.
NONE....she's tough.

Obviously, she must take after her mother.

Still amazed you called a "weaker vessel" tough. :P

I see that as disrespectful to our Savior...

It is an image I saw on a T-shirt.

I hadn't thought of it as disrespectful.

In this case, I agree with String.

.
.
What are you hippes talking about....


That would be an AWESOME T-Shirt....



Says we would ALL be dead w/o Christ's body being pierced for our sins.

image didn't show up for me :doh: :dunno:

But Christ sacrificed Himself along with those piercings. It wasn't for a show like so many body piercings are these days. Body piercing didn't save my life. Christ did... those piercings tormented Him in the process.

:agree:

I dunno, I kinda like it......... :nod:

*********I just can't believe I'm agreeing with SQUAT********** :wall:

YOU are just NUTZ. :gotcha:

Are you feeling ok? :faint: :hide:

.
.
By His stripes we are healed...


The blood of His sacrifice is the reason we are going to live eternally...saving our lives from being forever seperated from the father....


Yes....body piercing saved my life.



Now quit arguing with me and make me a sammich.

Jesus was "pierced" because that was the method by which they were able to punish their people with at the time. Hang them by a cross, and pierce their hands so that they can stay up there.

What would people nowadays be doing if they dismembered him or hung him by the neck instead?

I don't buy the whole piercing argument as a method of witnessing.

:agree:

Getting this discussion back on track:

To my knowledge there isn't any scripture that says no piercing. I think this is one of those things that Paul talked about (along with food). It is fine, but might cause others trouble.

Putting a hole in the body and then putting something through the hole is not disallowed by the Bible. It is a societial reaction that regards how many holes and where those holes are that is at issue here. People, not God, are saying that piercing here or there or more than this number of times is sinful. We need to remember that God determines what is sinful, not people. This is one of those areas that isn't explicitly covered in scripture, so each individual has to determine what is right for themselves.

Scripture tells us that our bodies are the Temple of the Holy spirit... I take that to mean literally. The Holy spirit dwells within us, even those of us who are ot Christian there is a tiny bit of the Divine spark that makes us "in His image". Doing this to the Temple of the Holy Spirit isn't exactly respectful nor does it demonstrate proper care of that Temple..



Now as for simple ear piercing...I don't know. On one hand, when done tastefullly can be an adornment, but on the other, the stretching, ear spools, and extreme types of piercing seems rather more along the lines of the above..

.
.
I don't buy the physical temple analogy....


Maybe the temple is a spiritual container for a spiritual person (HS)....


If it is our PHYSICAL body...then any NUMBER of things could be regarded as "not taking proper care" of the temple...such as, smoking, drinking, taken medications, overeating, undereaing...

Where would you draw a line?

I think you can draw the line at any of those things that you've mentioned.

While we may find ourselves
- Over-eating
- Under-eating
- Smoking
- Drinking
- Drugging
- Medicating

I think that it would be commonly understood that none of these are things that are "encouraged", due to the impact that they have on our bodies.

Unlike the things mentioned above, one would have to go out of their way in order to have certain body parts pierced, unlike over or under-eating which can just be a result of neglect due to stress.

.
.
So simply ear piercing is on par with simply over-eating at the buffet?


While penis-peircing is on par with....????.....over-eating at the buffet every night?



Thank God for grace.

I think that the very FIRST person to pierce their ears may have appeared a bit awkward to the people in their society. At the time, I'm sure some people were saying, "What on earth are you doing to your ears?!?!?!?!"

However, fast-forward a couple thousand years and it's now socially acceptable because the trend caught on, etc.

Looking at things now, it's the people who pierce their nipples and penises (or penii, if you will) that seem like social deviants. Our willingness to accept it as being good or bad is really a matter of where we are as a society. But I'm willing to assume that in the original scheme of things, if Adam said, "Hey God... thanks for these earlobes. Do you mind if I poke holes in them and let some of your precious metals hang from them?" God would've been like, "What for?!?!?! Did an apple fall on your head or something?"

I wouldn't equate certain piercings with certain sins of gluttony. But I just think that, in the end, people just have to ask themselves "why" they want the piercings.

In most cases, it's a matter of vanity.

.
.
If it's NOT socially acceptable then is it a sin? I don't think that is what your saying eh?


Since the Bible is NOT TOTALLY clear on the subject...is piercing a sin?

Personally, I say no...no matter where you do it or how often...

If it IS a sin...then simple earlobe piercing is just as much a sin as multiple penii peircing.


BTW....I have NO piercing and am sin-free....hehe

No, my argument isn't to say that piercings of any kind are a sin. I guess it would appear that way given the title of the thread and the position that I'm taking on piercings.

But no... not saying that they're sinful. I just don't think that they're the kind of things that God would encourage us to do or expect us to do as a method of witnessing.

I cannot find where piercing is a sin in OT or NT. Howzabout a reference, OP?

Here's my thoughts on sin after our redemption:

We are all sinners and fall short of God's glory. That's why Christ was died (why He was pierced, if you will). And we all still commit sin, even after Christ has taken over our lives. We are, therefore, responsible for our own relationship with Christ. Nobody else is responsible for that, although a trusted brother or sister may lovingly steer us if they feel so led (All scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, correcting, rebuking and training in righteousness).

Therefore, as Paul said regarding the meat, we are to live as the Spirit guides us. In Leviticus, many foods were unclean. In Acts, Peter was commanded to eat unclean foods in order to associate with unclean people (gentiles).

We are also commanded to associate with unclean people (unsaved). In order to do so, we should be a faithful Christian with whom those unclean will feel comfortable. Case in point: GR's tattoos. Tattoos are strictly forbidden in Leviticus, likely for health reasons. However, using a tattoo as a conversation-starter that can lead someone to the Lord, I believe, is strictly between the tattoo-wearer and the Lord Himself.

Yes, Squat, the body is a physical temple. We are to care for it better than most of us do. That is why gluttony is ranked as one of the seven deadly sins.

That is exactly why the Spirit has convicted me for my treatment of this temple. In the last five years, I have abused this temple with gluttony, inactivity and medications. Since I have started taking better care of it over the last few years, I have been rewarded with better health. Am I perfect in this? No.

But - I also see your point, and I don't think we can rip on anyone simply for their choice of jewelry, no matter how disgusting we personally think it may be. As in my previous post, that's between them and God.