Title: Does God forgive all?
sf49erfan - June 19, 2007 06:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rasplundjr @ Jun 18 2007, 10:13 PM) |
God may not like divorce but he can and will forgive anything.
Okay let the Raspy bashing begin. |
I don't think he will forgive everything. There is one unforgivable sin, I believe: leaving Him behind and accepting another God. Basically converting to a non-Judo-Christian religion.
Stringaling - June 19, 2007 11:48 PM (GMT)
This would be a great thread in Theology...
Stringaling - June 19, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
I seriously think someone should start a thread about this...I've got different perspectives to share....
Back to topic. :)
squatpuke - June 20, 2007 03:31 AM (GMT)
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I think I'm with Eric....except for the 49er fan part.
Addicted2~Jesus - June 20, 2007 02:16 PM (GMT)
The only thin that I know of that is unforgiveable is Blasphmey of the Holy ghost. Although, I understand what you mean by not acceptin Christ, because.. well, if you haven't accepted Him, then you haven't sought forgivness in the first place.
Does God forgive divorce? I think so, does that mean we should divorce anyways because we know that God will forgive us? Of course not... it's like Paul said, that through grace we are saved, so does that mean that we should sin more so grace will abound more? Of course not! We're to strive to not do so, we fail, God knows we do, that's why He gave grace to us.
To be forgiven is not a lic. to sin.
Honey - June 20, 2007 02:17 PM (GMT)
Stringaling - June 21, 2007 02:40 PM (GMT)
To say that God is incapable of forgiving certain sins is to say that He has limits, that He is or refuses to show mercy for particular sins. This just cannot be. Our God is all merciful and is Love incarnate. He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. God can and will forgive anything we can dish out of our hardened and wicked hearts. To say that he will not forgive the blasphemer even if he repents is to say that God is not 100% foriving, loving, or merciful.. I know of many throughout the centuries of Christianity who hated God with every fibre in their beings, cursed Him and sometimes even murdered his people, but were eventually won over by His love. For you protestants an easy example would be St. Paul. If God cannot forgive blasphemy, then St. Paul is unforgiven because he was a great blasphemer...
I've got to go for now..my boy is wearing training pants and pooped in his pants, down his leg and I have floor to mop and carpet to shampoo--That's what I get for spending too much time blabbing at you guys!! :doh:
sf49erfan - June 21, 2007 03:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) |
| He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
hope4today - June 21, 2007 03:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 19 2007, 01:40 PM) |
| QUOTE (rasplundjr @ Jun 18 2007, 10:13 PM) | God may not like divorce but he can and will forgive anything.
Okay let the Raspy bashing begin. |
I don't think he will forgive everything. There is one unforgivable sin, I believe: leaving Him behind and accepting another God. Basically converting to a non-Judo-Christian religion.
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Can you explain why you believe this? Where scripture says that you cannot return to God after converting to another foreign religion?
hope4today - June 21, 2007 03:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) |
| QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
Stringaling - June 21, 2007 03:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Addicted2~Jesus @ Jun 20 2007, 08:16 AM) |
| To be forgiven is not a lic. to sin. |
Sadly the RCs have taken their Confession as such..Do whatever you want, go confess it, do your hail Marys or whatever and you're good to go out and sin again. Although there are many who do honestly repent, the younger generations of RCs do take the whole confession/absolution thing as a license to sin..But let's not get sidetracked on the failures of the RC Church...
We must live a life of constant repentance. We must always ask for God's forgiveness because we are always making mistakes and sinning. There is no one time deal that cancels everything out. Believing so would put one in spiritual danger...
sf49erfan - June 21, 2007 06:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 21 2007, 11:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) | | QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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The turning back is the important part. Those who DO NOT turn back will not be forgiven.
rasplundjr - June 22, 2007 03:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 12:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 21 2007, 11:16 AM) | | QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) | | QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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The turning back is the important part. Those who DO NOT turn back will not be forgiven.
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But then again those that never turn back never ask for forgiveness which is the big thing... you have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.....
hope4today - June 23, 2007 02:29 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 01:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 21 2007, 11:16 AM) | | QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) | | QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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The turning back is the important part. Those who DO NOT turn back will not be forgiven.
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I still don't get it. Every sin is forgiven and forgivable. We receive that when we repent and live in Christ.
I still don't understand why you singled out converting to a non Judeo- Christian as different from any other sin.
andiesmama - June 23, 2007 11:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rasplundjr @ Jun 21 2007, 11:41 PM) |
| But then again those that never turn back never ask for forgiveness which is the big thing... you have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven..... |
:agree:
rasplundjr - June 23, 2007 12:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 22 2007, 08:29 PM) |
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 01:22 PM) | | QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 21 2007, 11:16 AM) | | QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) | | QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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The turning back is the important part. Those who DO NOT turn back will not be forgiven.
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I still don't get it. Every sin is forgiven and forgivable. We receive that when we repent and live in Christ.
I still don't understand why you singled out converting to a non Judeo- Christian as different from any other sin.
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I think the point is that if we walk away from God we limit ourselves. God will only forgive us when we repent and ask for our sins to be washed away in Christ's blood. We may do that for years, and one day somethign snaps and we go frollicking down another path. If we don't come back to God and ask forgiveness we can't be forgiven. We either turn to the Lord or away fom him, there is no middle setting. Thouh we can go back and forth between the two settings our entire life. We are only forgiven while turned to the Lord. God will only help us if we let him and if we're turned away from him we're not letting him.
God will fogive us anything we ask for and MEAN. I can ask God to forgive me for going out and beatting the hell out my wife's Ex, but if I don't really mean that I'm sorry, and / or continue to do it on a regular basis I just shot myself in hte foot.
(I have yet to lay a finger on the man though somedays the urge to just beat the ever lovin F@#$ing S@$# out of him is hard to back away from. He screwed up my wife and kids bad and the one thing I don't play is screwing with my family game even if they weren't mine yet when it happened.)
I'll forgive my wife and kids nearly anything (anything that I can think of but I'm sure that even I will have to draw the line somewhere), but they have to come to me first and apologize.... I think God operates on a similar principle.
sf49erfan - June 24, 2007 09:09 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 22 2007, 10:29 PM) |
| QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 01:22 PM) | | QUOTE (hope4today @ Jun 21 2007, 11:16 AM) | | QUOTE (sf49erfan @ Jun 21 2007, 10:08 AM) | | QUOTE (Stringaling @ Jun 21 2007, 10:40 AM) | | He can and will forgive the worst of our sins if we so chose to repent from them. |
My point was a person who turned from God and NEVER TURNED BACK. That is the unforgivable one.
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Sorry, our posts crossed. How does this differ from any other form of repentance then to make it an unforgiveable sin? I don't follow the logic. How is that different from someone who follows no other religion but has not accepted Christ? I don't follow the logic. If you say if they turn back they will be forgiven, then it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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The turning back is the important part. Those who DO NOT turn back will not be forgiven.
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I still don't get it. Every sin is forgiven and forgivable. We receive that when we repent and live in Christ.
I still don't understand why you singled out converting to a non Judeo- Christian as different from any other sin.
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Because you are not living in Christ when you have converted to a non-Christian religion. I am giving a little leway for becoming a Jew.