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Addicted2~Jesus - April 1, 2006 01:39 PM (GMT)
DWT

The other day I heard this guy goin on an on on the CB bout how in the fall of man we don't actually have the whole oicture as recorded in Genesis. He was sayin that it wasn't that Eve ate of the fruit an give it to Adam who also ate. It was that Eve had sex wit satan............ an concieved an bore Cain........................ an course Cain was 'evil' so he killed Abel. He was runnin yonder way so I couldn't ask em jes where in the world he'd come up wit that one. Any of ya heard anythin like that?

andiesmama - April 1, 2006 01:48 PM (GMT)
Interesting theory...I've never heard that one before! I'd be interested hearing the back-up reasoning for it, because that's sure not what it says in the Bible!

ceres - April 1, 2006 04:18 PM (GMT)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife.... :unsure:


Sarah - April 1, 2006 06:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ceres @ Apr 1 2006, 10:18 AM)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife.... :unsure:

Who's Lillith?

Mandy - April 1, 2006 07:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Addicted2~Jesus @ Apr 1 2006, 10:39 PM)
DWT

The other day I heard this guy goin on an on on the CB bout how in the fall of man we don't actually have the whole oicture as recorded in Genesis. He was sayin that it wasn't that Eve ate of the fruit an give it to Adam who also ate. It was that Eve had sex wit satan............ an concieved an bore Cain........................ an course Cain was 'evil' so he killed Abel. He was runnin yonder way so I couldn't ask em jes where in the world he'd come up wit that one. Any of ya heard anythin like that?


I think I've heard it in conjunction with...what's his name...it starts with an M. Scary stuff though. I'll come back if I remember his name. I know he was one of those who taught that matter is purely evil and spiritual is purely good, and that's why they came up with the idea of demonic heritage for Cain. Weird.

Mandy - April 1, 2006 07:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sarah @ Apr 2 2006, 03:28 AM)
QUOTE (ceres @ Apr 1 2006, 10:18 AM)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife....  :unsure:

Who's Lillith?


I think Lillith is from Islam and maybe Kabbalah. She was created to be equal with Adam, but apparently that didn't work out.

Honey - April 1, 2006 07:37 PM (GMT)
Wow....weird. :unsure:

ceres - April 1, 2006 08:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sarah @ Apr 1 2006, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE (ceres @ Apr 1 2006, 10:18 AM)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife....  :unsure:

Who's Lillith?

That's what I said! Nono.... NOT Islam... :nono:

The answer that someone gave me is this:

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Here is a quote from Wikipedia regarding the origins of this myth. Generally, Lilith was portrayed in ancient literature as a female Mesopotamian night demon. The idea of Lilith as the first wife of Adam apparently arose in the Middle Ages and was referenced in The Alphabet of Ben-Sira and also appeared in some parts of the Kabbala. This concept is not biblical.

(As an interesting side note, besides George MacDonald's use of the Lilith myth in Christian literature, C.S. Lewis also referenced Lilith as Adam's first wife and described the White Witch in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe as one of her descendants.)


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Lilith as Adam's first wife

The passage in Genesis 1:27 — "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (before describing a mate being made of Adam's rib and being called Eve in Genesis 2:22) is sometimes believed to be an indication that Adam had a wife before Eve.
A medieval reference to Lilith as the first wife of Adam is the anonymous The Alphabet of Ben-Sira, written sometime between the 8th and 11th centuries. Lilith is described as refusing to assume a subservient role to Adam during sexual intercourse and so deserting him ("She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.'"). Lilith promptly uttered the name of God, took to the air, and left the Garden, settling on the Red Sea coast. As a side note, this places Lilith in a unique position, for she left the Garden of her own accord and before the Fall of Man, and so is untouched by the Tree of Knowledge. However, according to legend, she also knows the "true name of God".
Lilith then went on to mate with Asmodai and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam.
The background and purpose of The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is unclear. It is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud, it may have been a collection of folk-tales, a refutation of Christian, Karaite, or other separatist movements; its content seems so offensive to contemporary Jews that it was even suggested that it could be an anti-Jewish satire [4], although, in any case, the text was accepted by the Jewish mystics of medieval Germany.
The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is the earliest surviving source of the story, and the conception that Lilith was Adam's first wife became only widely known with the 17th century Lexicon Talmudicum of Johannes Buxtorf.
In the late 19th century, the Scottish Christian author George MacDonald incorporated the story of Lilith as Adam's first wife and predator of Eve's children into a mythopoeic fantasy novel in the Romantic style.
The role of Lilith as Adam's faithless wife has parallels with the ideas about Eve herself in the Unification theology of Sun Myung Moon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillith

Mandy - April 2, 2006 12:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mandy @ Apr 2 2006, 04:08 AM)
QUOTE (Addicted2~Jesus @ Apr 1 2006, 10:39 PM)
DWT

The other day I heard this guy goin on an on on the CB bout how in the fall of man we don't actually have the whole oicture as recorded in Genesis.  He was sayin that it wasn't that Eve ate of the fruit an give it to Adam who also ate.  It was that Eve had sex wit satan............ an concieved an bore Cain........................ an course Cain was 'evil' so he killed Abel.  He was runnin yonder way so I couldn't ask em jes where in the world he'd come up wit that one.  Any of ya heard anythin like that?


I think I've heard it in conjunction with...what's his name...it starts with an M. Scary stuff though. I'll come back if I remember his name. I know he was one of those who taught that matter is purely evil and spiritual is purely good, and that's why they came up with the idea of demonic heritage for Cain. Weird.


Marcion! That's who I was thinking of. I'll look it up later when I have time...

clayman - April 2, 2006 06:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sarah @ Apr 1 2006, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE (ceres @ Apr 1 2006, 10:18 AM)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife....  :unsure:

Who's Lillith?

Lilith Stern was Frazier Crane's wife!

Come on! Doesn't anybody watch Cheers?

andiesmama - April 2, 2006 01:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (clayharryman @ Apr 2 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (Sarah @ Apr 1 2006, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE (ceres @ Apr 1 2006, 10:18 AM)
No but I heard another crazy one yesterday..... about "Lillith" and how she was Adam's first wife....  :unsure:

Who's Lillith?

Lilith Stern was Frazier Crane's wife!

Come on! Doesn't anybody watch Cheers?

:haha: That's what I thought when I saw that name....




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